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Post  Admin on Wed May 26, 2010 11:30 am

I have a surprise up my sleeve that I have been working on, that I was trying not to give away, but certain members here are kinda hot on their guesses.

PhoenixOS in the future will only be two flavors:

PhoenixOS Flamehawk: Based on Lucid with kde3

PhoenixOS Stealth: (if enough demand for it) Debian

A lot of the community thinks PhoenixOS should be one flavor like Linspire so that is the goal; if there is enough demand I will do a debian version.

Stay Tuned!


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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  bobd13045 on Wed May 26, 2010 12:52 pm

Admin wrote:I have a surprise up my sleeve that I have been working on, that I was trying not to give away, but certain members here are kinda hot on their guesses.

PhoenixOS in the future will only be two flavors:

PhoenixOS Flamehawk: Based on Lucid with kde3

PhoenixOS Stealth: (if enough demand for it) Debian

A lot of the community thinks PhoenixOS should be one flavor like Linspire so that is the goal; if there is enough demand I will do a debian version.

Stay Tuned!


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PhoenixOS Flamehawk: Based on Lucid with kde3 is my choice. Cool

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Deffi on Wed May 26, 2010 2:58 pm

My vote would have been with Debian; that is how I voted originally, but ubuntu is possibly more advanced. I've seen surprise expressed that Squeeze has a kernel below 2.6.30. Lucid has one of the latest.

When it works I do not mind KDE4 and believing the next Phoenix was going to be based on Lucid and I was hoping to do some testing, I installed Kubuntu 10.04. I have 2 independent sources and Ubuntu 10.04. I am having problems with connexion to the internet. I noticed that updating was getting nowhere, but the system tray showed I was connected. Finally updating started but extremely slowly and I have not been able to complete any upgrading. Initially uninstalled packages did not exist because I was not connecting with the repos. I have tried both my discs (installing Kubuntu or Ubuntu) and have experienced the same problem. All other installations on the computer are working fine. I will try again later.

I feel that Ubuntu is getting bloated and complicated. It now takes longer than Debian to install - nearly an hour. From messing around with Debian, I would have thought that Debian was easier to handle but is there a problem between Debian and KDE. A Debian page last modified in the 90's, has bubbled towards the top of a google search (KDE Debian). Downloads disappeared from the KDE/Debian Maintainers site and I lost a Debian install during an update. To install KDE4 the testing and unstable need to be used. Is the licence dispute concerning Qt a live issue?

I am not an expert and can only report what I experience and my humble opinions. I curse X because Linspire 5.0.59 still works seamlessly with my system and if I need to clean my old HDD I install it. I have had it running with Squeeze repos until I tried to swap an los marked lib for the Debian equivalent to tey and get Synaptic to install. I was fed up with using apt for my installs.

The UK Open University is running a 10 week basic course on how Linux works and is configured. I am thinking about doing the course next October or May. It is very popular. They use Ubuntu as their base because Canonical is making it available.

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Deffi on Thu May 27, 2010 6:50 am

Is not the Stealth download based on Karmic at present not directly Debian?

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Admin on Thu May 27, 2010 9:28 am

Deffi wrote:Is not the Stealth download based on Karmic at present not directly Debian?

David

Yeah the roadmap changed: instead of doing several versions; in future will only have:

PhoenixOS FlameHawk: Based on Lucid with kde 3

PhoenixOS Stealth: Debian-Possible project: only 2 people interested in this, so not worthwhile at the moment.

To answer your question present stealth is karmic and will probably be last one, as it will be replaced by Flamehawk: Lucid w/kde 3.5 if all goes well Shocked


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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Deffi on Thu May 27, 2010 12:59 pm

I understood but needed to check. You are talking about Father's day release (Mid June?). Will there be testing before that? As stated elsewhere, I am having a big problem with Lucid. The problem is either Lucid or my ignorance and I am trying to sort it but it takes so long to install -well on my machine. It looks as if there is a similar problem with installation and the installed OS. The delay is when the packages are being downloaded. I have done a net install of Debian today and no problems with the packages.

My main install at present is the newest Phoenix Hardy because that is the one I have customized the most. I am sure that the karmic is as good or better but I put things on hold waiting and trying to learn.

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Ray on Thu May 27, 2010 6:57 pm

Deffi wrote:I understood but needed to check. You are talking about Father's day release (Mid June?). Will there be testing before that? As stated elsewhere, I am having a big problem with Lucid. The problem is either Lucid or my ignorance and I am trying to sort it but it takes so long to install -well on my machine. It looks as if there is a similar problem with installation and the installed OS. The delay is when the packages are being downloaded. I have done a net install of Debian today and no problems with the packages.

My main install at present is the newest Phoenix Hardy because that is the one I have customized the most. I am sure that the karmic is as good or better but I put things on hold waiting and trying to learn.

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David,

This problem could be related to the old perennial problem of downloading the language packs. This can be easily avoided by disconnecting from the internet while the install is in progress. I've had this type of problem mmyself in the past, causing me to restart the install needlessly.

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  jpisini on Thu May 27, 2010 8:42 pm

I usually cancel the language packs myself.
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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  LinuXFroG on Thu May 27, 2010 10:50 pm

I would like to see it based on Debian, as I am currently not a big fan of Lucid.
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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Admin on Fri May 28, 2010 3:09 pm

LinuXFroG wrote:I would like to see it based on Debian, as I am currently not a big fan of Lucid.

Keep in mind while its based on lucid its very different in these key areas:

* KDE 3.5 is used instead of KDE 4
* Linspire out of box: meaning all codecs and plugins preinstalled with permission so we are not in violation.
* Linspire look and feel
* Optimizations: install on lucid takes forever, our install is quicker: as you can tell from all PhoenixOS releases you can install in very short time.
* Custom drivers are added to fill the gaps that stock lucid does not pickup
* All applications are updated and some are added
* many other differences too numerous to list out

So while YES we use lucid as a base its NOT the same. I for one dont like lucid but I like PhoenixOS Flamehawk: based on lucid


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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Deffi on Fri May 28, 2010 3:30 pm

That's what I was hoping. I don,t like lucid and Kubuntu got a poor write up in Linux Format. I await to see if I have connexion problems. Every other Linux has automatically connected me to the internet. To be fair so does Lucid but so badly that tasks are abandoned.

I am now very pleased with the Hardy and Karmic versions. I don't know how true it is but I read in the Ubuntu Forums today that xorg.conf is not required any more and should be removed. I did not go into the posts but I got the impression from the title that it was a similar problem to my now solved Nvidia one.

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  LinuXFroG on Sat May 29, 2010 10:27 am

Well to be honest, Lucid isn't on my Top Ten list of favorite distros at the moment. But I did find that once you remove Ubuntu One from the system, it is tons better. Ubuntu One likes to "Phone Home" more then E.T. did and more often then winblows.

But it's all good, if this has the feel/look of Freespire/Linspire, I'm in.

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Admin on Sat May 29, 2010 11:35 am

Deffi wrote:That's what I was hoping. I don,t like lucid and Kubuntu got a poor write up in Linux Format. I await to see if I have connexion problems. Every other Linux has automatically connected me to the internet. To be fair so does Lucid but so badly that tasks are abandoned.

I am now very pleased with the Hardy and Karmic versions. I don't know how true it is but I read in the Ubuntu Forums today that xorg.conf is not required any more and should be removed. I did not go into the posts but I got the impression from the title that it was a similar problem to my now solved Nvidia one.

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Between you and me: Karmic is my favorite one. I will probably still develop that one for personal use and if anyone requests it; I still like Karmic over Lucid.

I wished they left the xorg it was easier to fix problems like yours. Will keep you posted.

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  jpisini on Sat May 29, 2010 9:57 pm

To the best of my knowledge you can still use an xorg.conf file just one isn't created for you which makes it harder because there is nothing to tweak you have to know how to build one which most people don't.
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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  LinuXFroG on Sat May 29, 2010 10:09 pm

Yes, you can still create a new xorg.

sudo nvidia-xconfig


or

1) open a terminal
2) sudo mv -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup
2) sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf
3) sudo nvidia-settings
4) hit "save configuration"

with the empty xorg.conf, nvidia-settings should properly save the file.


Both should work fine.
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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  Deffi on Sun May 30, 2010 2:21 am

Thank you, I will experiment.

I find that saving the Nvidia configuration sometimes saves it to the xorg.conf sometimes not. It depends on the distro. The xorg file is never as comprehensive as of old. Also I find the figures in in the Nvidia settings inconsitent, but the correct numbers are being used and my hardware is working well. For example, when setting the number of colours Nvidia sets 32 (millions of colours), whereas the value 24 is used which is the value that Nvidia detects and stores.

The important thing is that its working and I am learning. I can install Nvidia quickly now on Debian based distros.

Once we have the latest FlameHawk up and running based on Lucid (LTS), I'm going to try and build a Linux from Scratch. At present I am trying to set up a Debian system based on Squeeze. Yesterday I managed to upgrade it to the latest kernel and it is still functioning.

It keeps me occupied in my later years.

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Re: Roadmap: PhoenixOS Future

Post  LinuXFroG on Sun May 30, 2010 2:27 am

I been wanting to test out *Squeeze* but every time I decide to do it, I make an excuse not to.
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